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Published on January 25, 2018

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We’re BA-A-A-A-ACK! Greetings to our friends old and new, and welcome to the Oathbringer Reread! We’ve had a lot of fun over the last few months, what with previews, reviews, cosplay, teasers, spoilers, and speculations. The time has come to launch a chapter-by-chapter reread, using knowledge of the endings to inform discussion of the beginnings. This week, we’re just going to introduce ourselves and the plan, and next week we’ll launch into the actual reread.

In the Oathbringer reread, as in other Tor.com rereads, we’ll be going over each chapter in-depth and discussing all sorts of things you might have missed on your initial readthrough (because you devoured it instead of savoring every bite, didn’t you? Or is that just us?), and then opening up a discussion in the comments for you to join in on the conversation!

Those of you who followed the Edgedancer reread are already familiar with the local comedy team; for the rest of you, we’d like to introduce ourselves.

A totally accurate and no-nonsense portrait of the writers. Remember, folks: Dignity. Always dignity.

Alice: Hi there! I’m Alice, also known as Wetlander (or WetlanderNW), because I live in the vicinity of Seattle, Washington, and it’s a very wet land indeed. Especially in January. (Yes, it’s raining right now. About half an inch so far today.) You may know me from the old Wheel of Time reread days, where I was a regular participant in the comment discussion. You may also know me from the reread of The Way of Kings, where I did the same thing, or from Words of Radiance, where I joined Carl in writing the reread itself. As you’ll know if you were there, I eventually took over that whole thing when Carl’s duties at Tor.com got too demanding to allow him to continue. Then there was the Warbreaker reread, which was fun, and most recently Edgedancer, which was my first foray into serial team-writing and was a blast.

I’m also a beta- and gamma-reader for Brandon Sanderson whenever I get the chance, and serve as administrator and/or moderator on several Sanderson-focused Facebook groups. Other than that, I’m a so-called “stay-at-home mom”… which is a total joke, given the school, social, and extracurricular ventures of a 14-year-old daughter. I also homeschool my 16-year-old disabled son, which is frequently equal parts frustration, hilarity, amazement, and stress. Heh. Fortunately, my husband is very supportive!

I love music, and participate in whatever musical opportunities present themselves, whether at my church, my daughter’s school, or, you know, Kickstarter projects where you can be part of a virtual choir. I play guitar moderately well (as long as it’s just accompaniment); I also play piano, harp, flute, and tin whistle moderately badly, so mostly I just stick to singing—preferably in a group.

Oh, and did I mention I love to read? Especially fantasy? Especially Sanderson?

Lyndsey: ‘Sup, readers! My Tor.com biography isn’t as lengthy as that of my illustrious colleague, but you might recognize me from the Edgedancer Reread and the How to Cosplay the Stormlight Archive articles. I’m also a moderator of several Cosmere related subreddits (under the name Kaladin_Stormblessed) and a beta and gamma reader for many of Sanderson’s works dating as far back as Words of Radiance. I’m an aspiring author myself to boot, with five full length novels completed so far. In addition to my writing, I’m a bit of a creative jack of all trades. I’m a fire performer with nine years of experience (poi, contact staff, dragon staff, and sword if you’re curious), an actress at a Renaissance Faire, woodworker and leatherworker, and a cosplayer with over fifteen years of experience and too many costumes in my closet to count. Like Alice, I’m also a stay-at-home-mom for the most part, but I dabble in SFX makeup, set construction, photography, and freelance graphic design. (See? Jack of all trades.) As for things specific to what you’ll likely see in this reread, I have an atrocious memory, as you’ll soon see. Sometimes it’s almost like a first-time read rather than a reread for me. I also have a tendency to focus more on character and storytelling elements than worldbuilding or broad Cosmere theorycrafting. I’ve got too much of my own worlds’ lore in my head to memorize all of Sanderson’s, too!

I’m married, have a one year old son named after a Lord of the Rings character and a dog named after a Supernatural character, and my favorite fantasy novels are The Gentleman Bastards series by Scott Lynch, Stephen King’s Dark Tower series, and the Stormlight Archive. I also enjoy anime, horror flicks, comic books (mostly Marvel but I make an exception for Green Lantern), TV, and films, so expect a lot of weird off-beat references and quotes from me.

 


A: Now that you’ve met the rereaders, let’s introduce the reread.

In the tradition begun on the Words of Radiance reread, we’re going to use a bunch of recurring units to help us track various themes and discussion points as we go. Naturally, they’re customized to the content of Oathbringer, as well as to your hosts. (ahem)

L: Oh! Oh! Is that my cue? Hi!

A: Each week will begin with a brief front-page introduction and the chapter-heading artwork, followed by a bare-bones recap of what happens in the chapter. (Note that this recap will not be a good substitute for an actual reread prior to the release of SA4 in a few years. That kind of detailed recap takes way too much time and effort for a reread, and leaves the writer with no energy for the actual discussion.) The recurring sections will appear only as they are relevant to the chapter at hand, and will not always be in the same order, depending on the importance of the material being discussed.

Threshold of the storm: The title of this unit will change over time; y’all can try to detect the method to our madness. However, it will most likely be the first unit each week, as its purpose is to point out significance in the chapter artwork, title, and epigraphs as they relate to the content of the chapter.

Stories & Songs: This unit will track appearances, rumors, in-world Lore (but not Data—get it? GET IT?), and references to all those “mythological and legendary” critters … or the ones that used to be myths & legends until they started showing up and getting in the way. Heralds, Unmade, Voidbringers, Urithiru’s past, Listener Rhythms, ancient history—all of these will be discussed under this heading.

Relationships & Romances: In the book as in real life, people are involved in a variety of relationships which shape, stress, comfort, or challenge them. There are friendships, like those in Bridge Four; families, like the Kholin crew; and romance, like Dalinar and Navani. As our relationships are important to us, theirs are to them—so let’s take note!

Bruised & Broken: One thing that stands out in The Stormlight Archive, more than any other Cosmere entry thus far, is the direct relevance of physical, mental, and emotional issues of the characters. Mental illness, addiction, physical disability, and various other conditions are not only present, but are in some cases a primary factor in the behaviors and abilities of the characters, so we’re going to make sure we address them and their place in the story-telling. IMO, Sanderson has tackled an aspect of humanity—our disabilities—that is often ignored in fiction, and has done a fine job of researching and reflecting the impacts to create very realistic, hurting people.

L: I’d like to point out that both Alice and I are abled individuals, and recognize that we’re at an advantage in terms of privilege in regards to these matters. We’ll do our best to address them in a sensitive manner, and hope that you will in the comments as well.

Diagrams & Dastardly Designs: What’s that lurking in the background? Why, plots and plans of the characters, of course! Here’s the spot where we’ll chat about all the various machinations going on, either on the page or off, and some of the various groups working behind the scenes.

Squires & Sidekicks: Side characters, am I right? Some we love, some we love to hate, and some we’re just plain ambivalent toward.

Flora & Fauna: The ecology of Roshar is fascinating and unique. From big bug-type critters in place of dogs, to the little shrimp-like cremlings, to grass that retracts into the ground and trees that fall over and stand back up, we’ll pull out our magnifying glasses and really examine the science and biology that makes Roshar tick.

Places & Peoples: More than the preceding two volumes, Oathbringer takes us around the world of Roshar and plunges us into different cultures. The first two books mostly limited this sort of thing to the Interludes. This third one continues to give us glimpses of ordinary people around the world in the Interludes, but the main action also takes place in a variety of locations and societies. We’ll talk about the social differences, the relative geographic positions, the topography—whatever is relevant to the story.

Tight Butts and Coconuts: Before you say it, yes, we know, there are no coconuts on Roshar (that we know of).

A: Nor does it fit the alliteration scheme. But who cares, because it’s funny and this is where we’re going to highlight the great one-liners, in-world curses, and various other fun and games. Comedy FTW!

L: In case you were curious why I immediately thought of coconuts… what can I say? I have a baby and watch a LOT of Disney with him.

Weighty Words: There’s just something about epic words, isn’t there? As Edward Bulwer-Lytton said in 1839, “The pen is mightier than the sword.” And that goes double for spoken words. This section is devoted to rousing speeches, cool in-world sayings, progressing in Oaths, and anything else we might find that fits into the same mold.

Meaningful/Moronic/Mundane Motivations: Sometimes, you want to smack a character upside the head for the reasoning they use to justify their plans. Other times, you’re blown away by their selflessness or cheering for them to find justice for a wrong done to them. Sometimes we may disagree on whether or not someone is justified in their actions, but it’s always fascinating from an empathic standpoint to examine why they do what they do.

Cosmere Connections: On the off chance that you’re reading this and don’t know about the Cosmere, most of Sanderson’s books take place in the same universe, and there are means—magical and mundane—of hopping from world to world. As such, we’ll be pointing out and examining connections to other books/worlds, the people who cross over and their motivations, and even delving into information about the Shards, Sanderson’s overarching magic system/religion that will eventually tie all of the worlds and plots together.

Quality Quotations: This won’t be so much a discussion section as just a list of some of our favorite quotes. For funsies.

Finally, we may or may not conclude with an “everything else we wanted to say that didn’t fit” section; we’ll just have to see how that goes.

 

L: Well, that’s all for this week. Be sure to join us next week for the first real entry into the reread. We’re both super excited to get started, and hope that you are too!

A: And if you think we missed a major thematic element that we should be including, let us know in the comments. This isn’t carved in stone, just bits.

L: And bobs?

A: I was thinking more bytes than bobs. Or jello, instead of either one.

L: There’s always room for Jello, as I’m sure Lift would attest. Anywho, let us know if there’s anything else you’d like to see addressed and we’ll see what we can do!

Alice’s life has been totally bizarre lately, but she is happy to be back here with y’all. If you Facebook and haven’t connected with us yet, be sure to look up the Storm Cellar group. It’s intended to have a core of the people who follow these rereads, where we can talk about other things Sanderson, but also just hang out and be friends.

Lyndsey’s excited to get back into the reread saddle and start picking Oathbringer apart, but she’s also editing one of her own novels and preparing to send it out to a team of beta readers. If you’re an aspiring author, a cosplayer, or just like geeky content, follow her on Facebook and prepare for a lot of D&D jokes and memes.

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Alice Arneson

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Alice’s life has been totally bizarre lately, but she is happy to be back here with y’all. If you Facebook and haven’t connected with us yet, be sure to look up the Storm Cellar group. It’s intended to have a core of the people who follow these rereads, where we can talk about other things Sanderson, but also just hang out and be friends.
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Lyndsey Luther

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Lyndsey lives in New England and is a fantasy novelist, professional actress, and historical costumer. You can follow her on Facebook, Instagram, or TikTok, though she has a tendency to forget these things exist and posts infrequently.
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7 years ago

Can you finish by JordanCon? :D Some people have to prepare for panels there!

Nazrax
7 years ago

I’ve really missed my weekly Cosmere fix since the teaser chapters finished, so this will be great!

I think I may have actually groaned out loud when I read Data/Lore.

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7 years ago

I’m here for the pancakes and being awesome.

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7 years ago

I have missed this reread.  And it’s only been gone for…well not long at all!

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Austin
7 years ago

Woohoo! So very excited for this. Thursdays will be awesome again!

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7 years ago

Tune in Thursdays???

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7 years ago

Hooray! Welcome back, you two. Looking forward to reading everything and discussing as time allows.

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7 years ago

I will admit to occasionally checking the Tor website to see when this re-read would show up, so I’m very happy it’s here. Thank you both for doing this!

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Dashichka
7 years ago

Yay! Can’t wait to participate.

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7 years ago

YES YES YES

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7 years ago

Favorite phrase:

“Post is up!”

Thanks for beginning the fun, again.

Joyspren
7 years ago

So excited for the party to start!! Thanks ladies, this is gonna be great. ‘Making Thursday great again’ is the slogan for the week. 

Also, you keep Lore. I’ll stick with Data. 🙄 

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7 years ago

I have a one year old son named after a Lord of the Rings character and a dog named after a Supernatural character
I think I just fell totally in love with you, Lyndsey. Totally platonically, of course.

ChocolateRob
7 years ago

 I have a one year old son named after a Lord of the Rings character and a dog named after a Supernatural character.

Hmmm, I’ll guess Tom and Azazel

Tom (bombadil) so he won’t get teased as much as if were called Treebeard or some such and Azazel because who wouldn’t want a dog called Azazel?

 

Edit – Ooh or maybe the dog is called Old Yeller Eyed Demon.

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iguacufalls
7 years ago

Other than Edgedancer, this will be my first SA reread where I get to participate from the beginning!  Should be fun! 

InhumanByte
7 years ago

OHMYGOD I came onto Tor.com fairly recently, as the Edgedancer reread was wrapping up, and every day I was praying that you two would finally do this- then you do! I expect to now check this website at least 4 times a day, as opposed to the mere daily checks!

InhumanByte
7 years ago

“…my favorite fantasy novels are The Gentleman Bastards series by Scott Lynch, Stephen King’s Dark Tower series, and the Stormlight Archive.”

 

YES.

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7 years ago

So glad the reread is back! But I really don’t know how you can do this without a section on spren and magic.

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7 years ago

Alright, deal me in this time.

So glad our contributors are Fit as a Fiddle. Just one question. Who is Gene, who is Donald?

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7 years ago

Let the musings begin.

The below should be sung to the tune of the Muppet Show theme song

“It’s the Oathbringer re-read

It’s time to read the book
It’s time to view the pictures
It’s time to meet the Rosharians in the Oathbringer re-read
It’s time to breath in stormlight
It’s time to dress up right
It’s time to gather the Knights Radiant throughout Roshar in Oathbringer re-read

Why do we always come here
I guess we’ll never know
It’s like a kind of torture
To have to watch our heroes suffer

But now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Sandersonational
This is what we call the Oathbringer re-read”

 

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
aka the musespren

Lyndsey Luther
7 years ago

@13 and 14

Excellent guesses, but Samwise and Castiel (usually Cas or Cassie for short). It’s rather amusing how the vet can never pronounce it right…

 

I love Old Yeller Eyed Demon. 

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7 years ago

Yes! So ready for this. I’ve been through all the bits and pieces in the 17thShard discussions and now I’m ready for the re-read.

Readers, lift your Kindles and away!

 

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7 years ago

Lyndsey @21.  I first I thought your vet did not understand English very well.  Samwise is easy to pronounce.  But then I realized what you were referring to.

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
aka the musespren

theelfling
7 years ago

I smiled so hard while I read this that I think my face got stuck that way…..So excited for another Sanderson reread!!

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7 years ago

I’ve been waiting for this to come back for what seems like sooo long! Super excited to be here from the beginning!

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7 years ago

Thanks Alice and Lyndsey!

I’m definitely looking forward to this.  (I appreciated the ST:NG reference, btw).  Fun titles for a lot of different categories.  I am especially interested in “Bruised & Broken” (the discussion on what “broken” even means should be interesting, not to mention the degree of “broken” that can be applied to the individual characters) and “Cosmere Connections” (Oathbringer’s inclusion of so many different worldhoppers, magics, artifacts, Shadesmar, Letters from Shards, etc, can make this category one of the best). 

With 122 Chapters, 14 Interludes, a Prologue and an Epilogue, it looks like this reread will almost carry us over to the start of book 4!

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7 years ago

Looking forward to this. :-)

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

“Tight Butts and Coconuts:”   – I laughed way too loudly over that one.  Lift would approve.  Of both things.  :-D

@20, Andrew – Nice.  It took me a little while to remember the tune for it to work, but that’s a good intro song.

 

@18:  Spren fall under fauna – in a way,  Magic under the Cosmere Connections.   But if it gets hard to manage, the ladies will adjust.   :-D

 

 

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7 years ago

Yay! A reread I can keep up with! Even if I’m only about half way through part 2 of my first read. :)

I started reading the WoK and WoR rereads about a month before the OB preview chapters were released, and finished the Edgedancer reread today, so perfect timing.

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7 years ago

This will be my first real time re-read after having read every post and comment on the previous Stormlight and Wheel of Time rereads, long after they were done. Looking forward to participating.

Lyndsay is officially my favorite person today with Samwise and Castiel, two of my very favorite fictional characters. :)

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Josh
7 years ago

I love the great insight that Alice, Lyndsey and Paige (in the review) consistently give regarding the awesome Oathbringer series. But I personally would find it beneficial to have a male reviewer’s (or Sanderson fanboy’s) point of view IN ADDITION to the great female perspectives we have enjoyed so far.

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7 years ago

Good news today. Count me in among those interested within the “bruised and broken” discussion. I feel there is so much to discuss within this sole topic.

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7 years ago

Lyndsey @21 Too late; my headcanon already says your son is named Treebeard

Lyndsey Luther
7 years ago

@34, I’ll teach him to sing about Entwives just for you ;)

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

@32, Josh:  I think you are forgetting the contributions of Ross Newberry to several of the SA articles.  He will also pop up in the comments.

You can also pay extra attention to AndrewHB’s comments.  He has great incites to share.  Not just new song lyrics.  

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Porphyrogenitus
7 years ago

I am extremely pleased to see that this is finally happening. I feel kind of like a Ron Paul meme needs to be posted here, but I will leave that to others to execute, should they care to.

Staying with the theme of alliteration, how about this section: Wit and Wisdom

The idea would be that it would appear whenever Hoid shows up (or gets a mention), paying especial attention to his words.

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7 years ago

Yay! I’ve been waiting for this to start my own re-read. \o/

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Josh
7 years ago

@36, Braid_Tug, Thanks!

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7 years ago

 “Before you say it, yes, we know, there are no coconuts on Roshar (that we know of).” 

Honestly surprised no one else made the obvious joke,  but “Are you suggesting that coconuts  (could) migrate?” :)

 

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MichelleM
7 years ago

Here’s something for you two to keep an eye out for while re-reading… Is Evi (and her brother) worldhoppers?

In chapter 36 (Hero), a Dalinar flashback; Dalinar fixes the flue on the chimney, and Evi says:

“At least you got to it quickly. Today we will not neet to scrub the walls, and the life will be white as sun at night“. Evi’s native idioms didn’t always translate well into Alethia.

Emphasis mine. Who else have we seen that uses idioms with colour that the Alethi do not understand? Vasher (Zahel) and Vivenna (Azure). Can Evi be from Nalthis too? It just seems like too big of a coincidence, her using a colour idiom and it being pointed out that Dalinar doesn’t understand it. And Brandon really isn’t one for random coincidences…

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7 years ago

– Sandersonational – I just love it.

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7 years ago

Yay!!! My first reread. Can’t wait

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MichelleM
7 years ago

 OH OH OH I just thought more on Evi!

She and her brother have escaped their homeland and need protection for some reason… This is left very vague. And the people of their homeland is still angry enough about the THEFT of the Shardplate that they refuse to join the alliance Dalinar wants. It’s made a point of showing how foreign Evi is; she wears a dress with short sleeves, and she is not used to not being able to use her covered safehand. At a glance this can be dismissed as “eh, she’s not Alethi”, but again I feel like that isn’t Sandersons way…

I’ll need to look up the exact quotes of these things later, but right now I am still re-reading the book and I don”t want to loose my spot (got an older Kindle which is a nightmare to search through books with!).

Lyndsey Luther
7 years ago

MichelleM, I’ll definitely keep an out re: Evi, that’s a fascinating theory.

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7 years ago

YAAAY! I’ll get to participate in a Stormlight Archive novel reread!

I’v been uncomfortable with the talk of characters’ “brokenness,” as I’m disabled and often struggle to not feel “broken,” with all the uselessness and hopelessness this word implies for my view of myself. But Sanderson really does a great job of portraying physical and mental disabilities as far as I can tell (I relate very much to Kaladin’s depression, but have less personal experience with some of the others), and I look forward to discussing their nuances. 

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7 years ago

Alice and Lyndsey, I am delighted to be joining you on the Oathbringer reread.  I had tried to join Alice on the Words of Radiance reread, but I was not ready.  I had gone blind from cataracts and my reading rate was very slow, anyhow, I couldn’t keep up.  Thanks for posting the links to the rereads for TWOK and WOR.  Now I can read them at my leisure.  By the way, I joined the reread of Edgedancer in progress and very much enjoyed the process.  

Lyndsey, congrats on earning a character bearing your name.  Kool Beans.  My amazing memory and reading rate, never totally came back after blindness.  On the other hand, my spelling significantly improved.  I haven’t joined Facebook for many reasons, but you all have given me a reason to maybe give it a try.  Maybe I will give the Storm Cellar group a chance.

#45. MichelleM: I found the place where we first meet Evi and her brother.  In Chapter 19, page 213, she is described from Dalinar’s pov, as he first glimpses her during a violent storm.   It is part of a flashback of a fancy dinner in a Storm bunker, thirty one years ago.  Through the chapter Dalinar keeps looking for a knife to cut his ham.

#47. AeronaGreenjoy: You are not alone.  I am also physically disabled.

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7 years ago

MichelleM

Wasn’t there a WoB about Evi that stated she was born on Roshar? That same WoB also included the information that her people, the Rirans and Iriali, aren’t, so it might still be very interesting to look for idioms and other expressions of Riran culture. I think both that, as well as the new insights we get into Azish culture will bring lots of interesting new (clashing) colours to the story. :)

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MichelleM
7 years ago

 @49 Elle

I don’t know, I haven’t read all the interviews and things. Google at least brought me very little info on Evi. I honestly don’t even know where to look for Brandons quotes! I haven’t gotten that deep into the Cosmere fandom, I was deep in the WoT community and after AMOL I got quite exhausted and haven’t managed to get that deep into anything else :P

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7 years ago

@50 MichelleM

A while ago a new website from the people at the 17th Shard went live (Arcanum), on which you can find basically everything Brandon Sanderson has ever said about anything in the Cosmere (which is a lot): wob.coppermind.net. It has a search function, which definitely made things easier for me. I was looking for information about Evi a while ago (she and her culture are fascinating), which is when I found that quote.

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7 years ago

L: I’d like to point out that both Alice and I are abled individuals, and recognize that we’re at an advantage in terms of privilege in regards to these matters.

Just mentioning: Brandon Sanderson is also abled. Also, the full phrase tends to be “temporarily abled” since no one can guarantee our capabilities in the future.

Looking forward to the reread.

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MichelleM
7 years ago

 Aaah thanks for the Arcanum link! I found this:

Q: Evi, in Oathbringer, she uses strange idioms and you mentioned you wanna be on the lookout for people who use strange idioms… Is Evi native to Roshar?

A: Yes… Her people are related to the Iri, who are not native to Roshar. But she is not Iriali herself. And all the Iriali, they are native to Roshar, people who are born now, even if their people aren’t. So Evi– You can say, right, like, no humans are native to Roshar. But, yes, she was born on Roshar.

Q:  …Would she might have some of the same blood in her that Vivenna and Siri would have?

A: Viviena and Siri… Oh, from… Ah, I’ll RAFO that.

So, she’s not a worldhopper, but there is something off there :D

Lyndsey Luther
7 years ago

@48 Alerie, would it be a help if we included text image descriptions of any images or gifs we use, for accessibility? I’d be happy to do that moving forward if so.

I’m happy to have you with us, and as Alice said, we will do our very best to discuss these topics with the respect they deserve. I fully expect that we’ll screw up at least once along the way, and if we do, we’ll accept any corrections from those with greater life experiences as gracefully as we can.

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Stuart J
7 years ago

Just finished last week, and I’ve been waiting to see this pop up. I haven’t had a chance to get in at the start of one of these rereads, so I’m pretty excited for this one! 

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7 years ago

@55: Absolutely. Those things can and should be discussed, and I look forward to it. The phrases “broken” and “broken enough” are what bother me, but the reread will be well worth seeing them. 

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roylayer
7 years ago

I haven’t had a chance to read the entire book yet.  Can I read these installments before I am finished with it?  In other words, will the reread contain spoilers for “future” chapters of the book?  Thanks!

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7 years ago

Braid_Tug @36.  Thanks for the kind words.  Coming from you, that is an honor.

AndrewHB
aka the musespren

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longviewer
7 years ago

@13 wife named for region in middle earth, 1cat for Dune character and another for true-silver. Makes perfect sense. And I live just south of wetlander!

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7 years ago

#55. Wetlandernw and # 56 Lyndsey Luther:. Thank you both for your kind consideration.  As far as vision, mostly mine came back, except, I now need reading glasses more frequently than before.  It also took me a while before I was comfortable seeing again  after the cataracts.  My reading rate before they developed was around six hundred words a minute, with 90 %  comprehension, and it had sank to about fifty words a minute or less, with less than 50% comprehension.  Any page printed with a lot of pastels or greys could not be read.  What happened in my case, everything was washed in white. Until my surgery, the only way I could read anything was to enlarge the print and to bold the font.  Obviously, I used my tablet a lot.  One thing that helped was to reverse the way the print appeared.  It was most readable with white letters on a black background.   I don’t know when you started the reread for Words of Radiance, but I couldn’t read the chapters fast enough for everything to make sense.  That was four years ago and I have fought other battles since that time.  I am on my fourth read of Oathbringer, so I hope the material makes sense.

My current physical limitations is that walking has become difficult.  I use a very strong walker most of the time.  When I try to walk with a cane, I wobble a lot and I am afraid I might fall.  I also am as recovered as I am likely to get from two torn rotator cuff tears, in my right shoulder.  I did nine months of physical therapy after two surgeries and I still can’t lift anything more than about five pounds.  Getting old can be terrible on your mobility.  

In all, what this means is that I likely do not currently need text commentary for any graphics, I can now read most regular printed items and make out most pictures.  I obviously have great sympathy for characters like Rysn, who are wheel chair bound.  I ran into a circumstance yesterday at a small town county hospital.  It had the flat curbs to cross a small street by its main entrance to get to the doctors’ offices.   I was left on the sidewalk, but in order to get to the building, I had to go down the regular curb to the driveway, and then walk around the drive way to enter the office building.  It was difficult for me, but it would have been worse in a wheelchair.

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7 years ago

#59 Roylayer: In the introduction, Alice and Lyndsey stated that they might include information from later in the volume, if it is necessary to the discussion.  The comments have no limits on Oathbringer spoilers.  They did discuss whether to require whiteout for spoilers for other series, but decided that they didn’t need the spoilers.  All this is discussed in what Alice and Lyndsey wrote in their intro.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

63, post 42 might also be a good reference for them, and while I’m not generally aggrieved by spoilers, as I mentioned, to you already, I’ve not finished the work, hence all I can do is cheer all of you people on in spirit!

Hope y’all have a lovely time.

 

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7 years ago

#64:. But then you can join us after you have finished the novel.  At one a week, it is going to take quite a while before the group finishes the reread. I had looked for you on the other thread.  I had answered your last post and didn’t see a reply.  I was trying to remember how far you were into Oathbringer.  Did you say, they had just entered Shademar?

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LordVorless
7 years ago

65, I’m not sure if I replied or not, I thought I had, but perhaps it got lost in the board’s meanderings, anyway, I had gotten to the point in Shadesmar where they were on the honorspren vessel, I believe.   At least, that’s the last I recall. 

I really need to convince myself to buckle down and read it, but I got caught up in another book (curse my wayward eye!), that I want to at least make a credible attempt with.   

 

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the pupxpert
7 years ago

Hey there it’s pupxpert from the old WOT reread and of course all the other rereads, I’ve been there through them all. Hi Alice, looking forward to this!

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7 years ago

@61, :D *grins and waves*

jofwu
jofwu
7 years ago

Hey! How much do you guys plan to cover each week?

I assume it will vary from week to week depending the length of chapters, the business of your schedules, and so on. But do you have a rough plan?

Basically I’m wondering if this will be a 2-year-long one-chapter-a-week reread or a 6-month-long sprint. :)

Joyspren
7 years ago

@20 Andrew HB, that song was so great. Totally made my morning, and captured the excitement we all have for the reread. So thank you!

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7 years ago

Hi pupxpert! Hi Freelancer! (And hi everyone else, too, but it did my heart good to see more of the old WoT Reread names pop up to join us again! The recent anniversary of the release of AMOL made me quite nostalgic for the WoT Rereaders.)

As for me, I’m excited about the new schedule. Thursday afternoons are very busy work times for me, but conversely Thursday mornings are pretty quiet! So I look forward to being able to join the discussion more promptly and regularly this time around.

Braid_Tug
7 years ago

@@@@@ 19:  Hi Freelancer!    Glad to see you back!!  I skipped your name until I saw Alice squee.   :-D  The I squeed!

@@@@@60: Andrew, most welcome.

@@@@@69:  It’s going to be a smooth endurance race.   SA 4 is years away, so no need to rush this reread.  

Re- Ableness:

@@@@@62:  I can appreciate where you are coming from.     Four years ago, I broke my leg, two weeks before a family vacation to Key West.   I rented a wheel chair and did what I could.   The private house my sister-in-law rented was not ADA compliant.   I had to crawl up the entry steps on my butt.  But I was lucky it had a shower with a seat.   Going around town was an eye opening experience.  Then when I returned home, I rented a knee scooter, then later had a walker.  Realized quickly that while my work building was ADA compliant, that didn’t mean the same as ADA friendly.      I look at the world  very differently now. Sometimes I really want to slap designers.  

Keep doing everything you can do! 

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7 years ago

#72  Braid_Tug:. Thank you.  I do what I can.  People can be so blind.  My physical Therapy facility was in an office building with a great Handicapped entrance.  But the individual suite of rooms was not easily accessible.  It had a heavy glass door that was difficult to enter.  Luckily, there was normally someone there to hold it for me.  Thanks again. I’m off for an appointment.  I will join the comments later this afternoon.

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7 years ago

Ready.  To.  Go!!

WinespringBrother @1
I like the way you think, me too!  But seriously…  ;-)

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7 years ago

@65, 66 Shadesmar? Honorspren vessel? I need to read faster!

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7 years ago

Finally! I can’t wait. Personally, I am more than ready, heh. Might be interesting to throw a short glance at our reactions to the preview chapters and compare them with our current thoughts.  

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Maria Rose
7 years ago

So glad you are doing a re-read for us “slow readers”.  I enjoy this series but I never understood how anyone could read each book and not savor everything in it.  Don’t get me wrong, I can read books I call light reading very quickly but this type of novel desires a slow savory read. 

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7 years ago

I hope you will devote one week to discussing the cover, the four pictures of the heralds (gorgeous) and the chapter illustrations.  I feel that the pictures (especially) the internal chapter pictures got overlooked in prior re-reads.  (Apologies if that was my imagination).  If we jump right into the prologue next week, I wanted to point out one inconsistency in the book cover.  In the text, Jasnah is described as having jet-black hair.  Yet the picture of Jasnah on the cover of OB has some gray.  I do not think it is dust.  If it were dust, then there would be that same gray on the rest of Jasnah’s outfit.  Yet there is not.  

Anybody else noticed Jasnah’s hair color?

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewHB
aka the musespren

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7 years ago

#66 LordVorless: It is so easy to get lost wandering TOR’s many pages.  There is always something new and interesting.  But as much as I love that, personally I am loving more is the thought of putting Oathbringer and Cosmere under the microscope and understanding the whole process better.  I am sorry you got distracted and didn’t finish Oathbringer, but if you want to join the party and have it all make sense, you need to finish.  By now, you have likely figure out, who Azure and where she is from.  That I believe is called an Easter Egg, popping up unexpectedly.

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7 years ago

Definitely excited for this will give me more reason to visit Tor.com on a weekly basis again!  Works well as I’m currently in my own reread of all the books currently about 2/3rds through Words of Radiance should be just starting Oathbringer when you start the re-read:)

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7 years ago

This will be fun. Thanks to you both for the effort and the commitment. 

And thanks to the community for making this an interactive experience. I often enjoy the comments as much as the reread itself.

And it’s always nice to see familiar usernames again.

 

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7 years ago

@21 Lyndsey I have a Samwise too! We named many of our kids after literary characters who embodied loyalty. 

Excited for the reread. Alice and Lyndsey, as in rereads past I hope you’ll alert us in one post if the following week’s post will cover something outside the one-chapter-a-week pace? Helps greatly, if it’s not too much trouble.

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7 years ago

Hey, Alice and Lyndsey: is the first week going to be the Prologue? Just so folks know what to reread.

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7 years ago

#72. Braid_Tug: What is a knee scooter?  Now that I asked??  I’m thinking, could that be the name for the battery-powered motorized vehicle that about ten percent of my fellow residents have in our senior apartment building?  Way better than my walker.  They are nifty, but expensive.  Well over a hundred dollars to purchase one used.  Some of them use theirs to reach the nearby highway, which has a variety of strip mall stories.  Personally,  I’m not certain I would take it out in traffic. 

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7 years ago

YAASSSS SO EXCITED :)  This is also the first time (aside from Edgedancer/Warbreaker) that I can participate.  I still intend to read the old re-reads (I think I got through a few dozen of the WoK reread posts but I was also trying to read all the comments too and then life got in the way) one of these days.

You guys sound so much more interesting than me :)  I used to go to a lot of Michigan ren fests back in my college days.  It’s been awhile though.

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7 years ago

AlerieCorbray@85, I was curious, so I looked up knee scooters on Wikipedia. They’re actually just what they sound like: they’re 4-wheeled devices you rest one knee on and propel yourself with the other. They’re seemingly meant for people with foot or leg injuries on one side only. At least from the Wikipedia article they don’t seem to be walker alternatives, they’re for relatively-able people with a lower-extremity problem.

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7 years ago

#87. Carl: Thanks, you are likely correct.  A knee scooter  looks like an interesting device, great for the rehab.  But most of the local Vets have mental issues.   While they do develop some physical issues as they age, it is not the same as a soldier, who lost their leg due to an explosion on the battle field.  Plus our vets are at least in their late fifties.  The scooters that I have seen around here, are closer to  the first one on the page with the free cupholder.  //www.1800wheelchair.com/category/3-wheel-scooters/.    They have three wheels (I think) and are fairly mobile.  However, there is no way that I could lift one.  The Veteran’s Hospital is passing them out, when the guys lose their ability to be able to roll their own wheel chair.  Some of the non-vets are able to purchase them second hand and some rare residents are able to purchase them new. 

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LordVorless
7 years ago

80, unless I’ve forgotten who Azure is…oh wait, no, no, I haven’t,  I think.   Actually, I’m lucky I can remember Warbreaker, half the time I confuse it with the Trillium series.

Interesting coincidence, I just SAW a knee scooter while at the local hospital myself.   Personally, I think I’d rather get a set of Shardplate.   Renarin is lucky his father cares so much.

 

 

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7 years ago

#89. LordVorless: Azure is the lady with the Sword that doesn’t have a spren inside.  Our group met her in the capital city, where she had assumed the commander of the guard position.  She ended up in Shademar with them.  She is looking for a blade that bleeds black smoke, and the one who brought it to their land.  I am not familiar with the Trilling series.  On the other hand, I reread Warbreaker for the umpteenth time just before we started reading the first thirty two chapters of Oathbringer.

The best means to obtain a set of shardplate is to  grow your own set.  Of course, you need to be on the fourth ideal before that happens.  My problem with a knee scooter would be that the arthritis would be terrible in the limb that I was constantly using to push the scooter.  I will eventually need something that will push for me.  :)

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7 years ago

My problem with the Trillium series is that the sequels written by the different authors contradict each other.

Lyndsey Luther
7 years ago

@84 Carl, reread one will indeed be just the prologue. 

We’ll let you guys know if we plan on covering more than one chapter in the next week’s reread.

And Andrew, that’s a great point about the artwork. We’ll make sure to cover them as well, especially since there’s much lovely art in Oathbringer!

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7 years ago

#92.  Lyndsey Luther: Thank for letting us know, which material is to be discussed next Thursday. In #79, AndrewHB raises some interesting questions in my mind.  He wanted to know if time was being set aside to discuss the cover and the beautiful pictures on the end pages.  He had a strong concern about Jasnah’s picture on the cover.  Her hair appears partly grey, and yet, all descriptions of her state that her hair was jet black.  While he says that it is possible that the greyness is a covering of dust, he feels that is not the case.  Personally, I am on the side of dust.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

90, yes, I figured that was her.  Names like that I’m simply not good with, they just don’t register.   The Trillium series is a set of books by three of the luminaries of Science Fiction and Fantasy, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Andre Norton and Julian May, like Warbreaker, it concerns a group of Princesses (though it’s 3, not 2) in a kingdom with some magicla stuff going on and well, I always think of the two together, even if the plots are rather different.

There has been great progress in ambulatory hardware systems, hopefully we’ll get them soon enough.

91, a fair cop, I’d blame it on them being different authors, but I think Bradley manages to do it in her own works.

94, I’d consider the Endpapers and the subject material when appropriate, but it is also something you could do separately.

 

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Gaz
7 years ago

YES!!!!! I can continue to get my Stormlight Archive fix!! I got my hard copy way too late to participate in the discussions on Part 1, but I finally finished Oathbringer a couple of weeks ago and a reread right now would be PERFECT.

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Figgldygrak
7 years ago

WetlanderNW, thanks for the reference to the Coppermind. We’ll see how productive the next couple weeks are now that I know about that…

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7 years ago

#94. Wetlandernw:  Makes sense to me.  Thanks for replying.  I really like the idea of covering the endpapers with Ars Arcanum, and the cover Art during the appropriate chapter is perfect.  Thanks again for answering.

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7 years ago

#95. LordVorless:. Thanks, I looked it up.  I have tributes to writers where all use the same set up for the same world, as in the one done for Jack Vance’s Dying Earth.  But those are all shorter stories, not full novels.  I did look up the series on the internet.  At the moment, I am headed for some Earthsea and maybe the left hand of Darkness, after I have burned some Sanderson out of my system.  Of course, he will be around on my reading table for at least Two and a half years.

In my humble opinion, the Heralds are an unknown factor.  We have no idea how sane a given one might be or whether they can be healed.  All those years of dying and torture, I am certain was terrible.  Truly it was Hell. No wonder they went mad.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

99, I have to admit, the book is a slog through a swamp (also there are literal slogs through swamps…), but it does have some interesting parts.

The Heralds remind me of the contrast with the Spren who report themselves as unchanging, while humans are fickle and prone to alter.   It might be a deeper rooted trauma, compared to say, the immortals of Eddings’s work where they go on for eons without much change.

 

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7 years ago

#100.  LordVorless: I wouldn’t know about swamps.  I am about halfway finish with my fourth read.  It just gets better and better.  I am attempting to catch more and more each read.  Of course, I have plenty of time for reading, being retired and all that.  This time, I chose to just read Oathbringer, not to go back to The Way of Kings, and the rest of Stormlight, but to concentrate on this book for this reread.

The spren have changed.  There appears to be a lot of Spren with bad attitude.  Terrified that humans will kill them by breaking their oaths.  It has kept a lot of higher spren from joining the party.  We have heard about two of them.  King T’s lady turning into a Dustbringer and Venli’s little Timbre.  We don’t have a lot of examples of Immortals around other than the ten Heralds, and they had some dying in between.  There are some world hoppers, who measure time in hundreds or even thousands of years.  The prime example would be Hoid, who is said to be seven thousand years old. Apparently, he was present at the shattering and could have been a shard.  He said no to Godhood, but seems very hard to kill.

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7 years ago

I’ll put forth the theory that evi’s people originated from white White sands world

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7 years ago

AlerieCorbray@93:

Personally, I am on the side of dust.

 

AlerieCorbray is a Dustbringer!

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7 years ago

#103. Carl:. Not likely.  Alerie is not a dust bringer.  I am allergic to that stuff.  I thought you had hidden something in that empty space.  I couldn’t find anything.

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7 years ago

Sorry, I just hit Enter an extra time.

zeldune
7 years ago

No way! I need to finish this book so I can join the fun here. So excited to see this happening so soon!!

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7 years ago

So excited to see this happening! Alice & Lyndsey, your Edgedancer reread was too fun! So glad you’re back with us. :-)

On a more practical note, I don’t see a link on this page to the main “table of contents” page for this reread series – it should be added here when it becomes available, so that folks will know where to go (& be able to bookmark it!!).

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Bandicoot
7 years ago

Only a week late to the party which is better than the year plus I was late to the WoR reread. I enjoyed checking up the WB, WoK and WoR when I reread them leading up to OB. It was also revealing as it helped me spot things I missed or was not aware of. I have more than casual knowledge, but nowhere near some others. I will be reading this, and may contribute to the comments on occasion (and the facebook stormcellar). Recognise some commenter names from previous rereads. Everyone seems so nice and friendly here. Hoping any random thoughts mentioned wont be met with the same scorn I have experienced on the reddit (YOU’RE WRONG – DOWNVOTE!). Anyway, yay – will reread the prolo tonight and see how the comments look.:)

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7 years ago

It was while reading Oathbringer that I finally understood what the overall central issue of the Stormlight Archive series was — as opposed to the compelling story arcs of its many characters.  So after reading OB I went back and reread the rest of the series, while also looking up references to names in Stormlight Archive Wiki to understand how everything fit together both within SA and to the rest of the Cosmere.  Now I’m back to OB, and glad to find the reread series here. 

Alice and Lyndsey, how do you write these blog entries with all the back-and-forth between you?  My best guess is that you do a chat session together, and then edit its transcript.  

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4 years ago

Supercool. wonder if I should do the WoTK stuff .. nah I’ll start here.